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and the 21st century as the champions as we see ourselves as the rule of law as ronald reagan would like to see, a city shining on the hill, what befuddles you most about as you look at this debate about guns and violence? >> i think one of the most interesting things for me to see with the discussion is the idea that comes up over and over again about futility, efforts to regulate guns. i think one statistic that almost everybody knows about guns in america as we have about 300 million people and about 300 million guns in at least lots of people to think anything we do in the regulatory side is futile. i'm actually not that pessimistic myself and this is one of the themes that comes up in the public discussions as we move forward after the president announces tomorrow for two reasons. one thing important to keep in mind is that they are a very concentrated and very set in terry. 10% of people in the united states on about 80% of the guns. they're mostly middle class middle aged people in rural areas and they hold onto their kind for a long time. on the other hand, most of the people eng
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